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Many Christians wonder how anyone could doubt the existence of God, but it turns out it's right in the bible.  If you read between the lines, it tells you there's no God…

1)  The bible claims that God sacrificed Jesus for our sins. (John 3:16, Romans 3:25, Ephesians 5:2, Hebrews 9:26)  (This is ignoring Deuteronomy 24:16 and Ezekiel 18:20, which state that everyone is to be responsible for their own transgressions without anyone else dying for their sins, thus undermining the primary basis of Christianity.)

2)  Since Jesus is God (2 Peter 1:1, John 10:30-33, and other verses), premise 1 means that God sacrificed himself.

3)  A sacrifice involves the destruction of the entire being, including the spirit.  This seems intuitively obvious especially for a self-sacrifice, since it's not much of a sacrifice if the martyr is guaranteed an eternity in heaven.  The bible never directly specifies what constitutes a "sacrifice," but it seems to support this intuition.

a)  In the entire bible, only humans are said to have been given immortal souls. (Ecclesiastes 3:11, 12:7, and other verses)

b)  The bible allows animal sacrifice (several passages in Leviticus 1), but it condemns human sacrifice in the same breath as witchcraft, sorcery, fortune telling, and other forms of magic.  (Deuteronomy 18:10-11)

c)  Of all the things the bible forbids, why lump human sacrifice together with magic?  It would require some type of occult power to sacrifice the additional element of the soul.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
(Matthew 10:28)

Therefore, the bible implicitly defines sacrifice as the destruction of the whole being, including the spirit.

4)  From the above premises, God must have died with no afterlife.

Therefore, according to the bible, God doesn't exist.

When you think about it, this explains so much.  Within the scope of the bible, it tells us why Jesus 2.0 fell somewhat short of godlike omniscience, actually having to ask why anyone would doubt that he's the same person who was just brutally murdered.  (Luke 24:38)  It explains why, aside from the occasional disembodied voice that only believers could hear for some reason, God never appeared or acted after the sacrifice.  In Acts of the Apostles 1-14, angels always acted in God's place.  Is it really more plausible that God still existed, but he was always busy?  He had a little too much on his plate, so he had to delegate?

It also explains some current observations, like the fact that Jesus has never returned as predicted.  It tells why God is credited with all those spectacular, unmistakable miracles in biblical times but has no noticeable effect today.  It even gives us an explanation for ghost sightings: there's nobody to admit them into heaven.

I wish I could say I figured it all out first, but I think Nietzsche beat me to it.  Still, at least I can do my part by spreading the good word.  In fact, since the bible is already famous for being revised and edited throughout history, I'll go ahead and add a new chapter to the bible.  Don't worry, it's only three verses:

:bulletred: There's probably no God. (Dawkins 1:1)
:bulletred: But if there is a higher power worth worshiping, he/she/it/they wouldn't want you to squander your life on fairy tales that don't even have happy endings. (Dawkins 1:2)
:bulletred: So stop reading this and enjoy your life. (Dawkins 1:3)
If Christians can get away with their creative interpretations of the bible, I can do this. Donít worry if my claims donít make sense to you Ė in a religion whose deity sacrifices himself to himself to appease himself, making sense isnít a high priority anyway.
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Mrs-KoolAiD Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Have any of you paused to think that, according to the Bible, God kills entire civilizations, while Satan only directly kills about 10 people?
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah. Sorry, some of these verses were totally taken out of context in order to suit the purpose of the argument, and the argument itself is also very shallow.

Also, I apologize on behalf of Christians below who have threatened you with hell. They are wrong.
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Lunatwisentry Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Traditional Artist
On the third day he rose again , did you not read it 😠😠😠😠😠 he even had revealed himself to his disciples and proved it several times you Christian hater !!!!! That's highly offensive you know , if you don't believe then have fun burning in hell when you die !!!!!! Also I have found much proof God exists and still does he's protected me more than once : like just now I swallowed my water the wrong way and I couldn't cough I ABOUT DIED but once I managed to say " God help me " I was able to cough again . Another time not too long ago , I had gone insane ; no joke, the only words I could say between all the " bubbbubadabuba" were , pony , table, mom(this one was difficult). I couldn't speak , my mind was clear but I had to talk and be able to hold something close to me . I started reciting the verses on my wall (yes even the I could read but it was extremely hard ) and once I could talk close to normal I started praying and after this I'm perfectly normal . Lol I actually thought I was dying , I even wrote my death wills in a messy jumbled letter to my friends and family . He has done miracles for my grandfather , (who has had so many surgeries and problems with his heart I'm surprised he's still alive ) and my grandmother is still more active than me and my brothers put together !!!!! Also take a look at yourself and think -
You're made of atoms and molecules how on earth are you not a rotting blob of stinking body parts because of how many times you've been punched . If God didn't exist then why is there still good in our idiotic world why does everyone forgegt that the USA was based on Him,if He wasn't real then why aren't we in world war 10 by now ????? Answer me that ??? I dare you , if you believe in evolution give me a good explanation why the cycle isn't still happening now , give me a scientifically proven explanation for this and send me a link to prove all of it is real , and if you can't do that then I will give you a Biblical explanation . Btw I'm a science nerd so I know a lot 😠😠😠😠
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DarkVikingMistress Featured By Owner Edited Feb 3, 2016  Student Writer
Well...either way God does sound really inconsistent and like different characters in different parts of the bible. The bible as a whole doesn't read consistenly. There are many continuity errors and also mathematical and scientific errors, too! In the Old Testament God has a much more hard authoritarian character but when the times changed in the New Testament suddenly he becomes "loving and forgiving". A lot of more fundamentalist Christians like to push the idea that God and religion never changes; however the very fact that the societal context heavily influenced the translations of the bible already disproves this, and also there are many more "old world" type lessons in the old testament compared to the new.

The reason I don't believe in god is fairly simple; I won't take stories and ideology and religious groups as evidence of a God. The only way I'd ever believe in God is if he was proven with empirical evidence. Even then, I wouldn't join the following in the 0.0000001% chance it's out there.
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Starluscious Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016   General Artist
It is written "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."


It is written again "The wicked are too proud to seek God. They seem to think that God is dead."

It is written again "They make shrewd plans against Your people, And conspire together against Your treasured ones."
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016
"Yo Jim! What if people don't believe in our cult?"

"That's easy Bill. We simply say that they really do and that they are really just evil meanies."

"Excellent! People willbe dumb enough to follow this."

Years later

"I do not believe in god."

Of course you don't. My infallible book that would never lie to me and has a talking snake told me people would not believe this shit. Therefore it is true"
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Starluscious Featured By Owner 4 days ago   General Artist
Hallelujah to the Lamb of God. Peace and good will be onto all men. Amen
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CutestSith Featured By Owner 3 days ago
Praise to be to Haruhi! 
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The one true goddess of mankind and her one and only prophet Madoka. 

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Woe to those who disrespect the goddess and her prophet for you will be sent to weeb hell ruled by Homucifer. 

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There you will be forced to watch endless marathons of Boko no Pico. To be sent to weeb hell you violate one of these following rules.

Thou shall not call another's waifu shit. 

Thou shall not speaketh of the hentai club. 

Thou shall not be a pleb.

Thou shall not desecrate the holy lolis.

Thou shall remember the sabbath for it is time for fapping on that day.

Thou shall not shit post about the dub. 

Thou shall not shitpost about your OTP. 

Death to those who not follow these rules and insult the prophet. 

MADOKA ACKBAR!

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Adventure-Cat Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Lets not forget this has also been submitted to "ClubSatan"

...he is the father of lies and the most subtle creature in the garden! These same tactics of twisting the truth didnt work on Jesus nor should anyone with clear thought allow this post to deceive them! The Lord allows us a choice, but there is only one way to heaven and thats through Jesus. As explained so many times in the bible, Jesus is our mediator and only way to the Father. (One God and one mediator) If the OP missed that, he chose to!
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Paulthored Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016
Logically, you failed. You don't stop existing when you die. Why would the LORD?!?
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IndieJacket Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
Great work getting your point across without being aggressive or demeaning, more people should try that(myself included):)
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Edited Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
funny! but something that don't exist can't sacrifice itself because it didn't exist in first place.
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bubbybubbles12 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2016   General Artist
Well stated.
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VikingFox Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Glad to see more of these things online, good on 'ya!

Also to add to #3, a sacrifice is meaningless if the 'sacrificed' is supposedly resurrected lol that's like donating a dollar, then taking the dollar and walking away. 

Amazing what people believe, no? Excellent share!
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There is a lot wrong with this, and I mean a LOT! First of all, that verse about human sacrifice, as you put it, doesn't sound like sacrifice. It sounds more like for one to be weary about someone that will try to destroy one's faith. Reread that verse, if it was talking about human sacrifice then why say that both body and spirit are destroyed in Hell? The one's to be weary are the demons.

Also, Jesus's human form was the one that died, NOT his spirit. And the main part about this sacrifice of his was just his death, but the pain he went through. He wore a crown of thorns, was crucified, beaten, whipped, and just totally degraded. Even with all that, the crucifying did not kill him immediately, he was up there for a few days, unable to sleep otherwise he would start suffocating, forcing him to stay awake through the pain twenty-four seven, through the hot days of a desert, that is not a worthy sacrifice? Then holy crap, what more do you want!?

Over all, your 'facts' have been wrong, and the bible has actually been compared to actual historical documents, and guess what? It matches all the documents there. So saying the bible or God is false is like trying to say the same about George Washington or Ghandi.
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IndieJacket Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
Religion has made people do horrible things across the board, horrible things that are always justified by logic in one really old book or another. I'd like to think that humanity can learn from it's mistakes and instead of fighting about thing that don't matter to us as long as we live, we can dig a little deeper into whatever holy book you believe in and take the principles and ideas instead of literally believing every word. I'd like to trust the judgment of those who live today rather than listen and fight for those who lived thousands or hundreds of years ego, and make my decisions according to my own belief of what's right and what's wrong, and remember that even though we forget it all every once in a while, most religions active today praise those who believed in accepting those who believe in things you disagree with. When you claim to be right and that others are wrong, don't become a representative of your whole religion, stay yourself. Because you cannot have a conversation with a religion, but a person, you can talk to:)
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FelgrandKnight34 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016
First of all, that depends on both the religion and the times. When the Christian church went and attacked the muslim villages during the crusade, it wasn't because the bible told them to, it was because the muslims came in and conquered their territory, so they went and took it back, which was very common for that time. Nothing was new or different, except for the fact that the Christian church did it. Also, I do agree with you, surprisingly, actually, about how to make your own principles. I do not take all my principles from the bible, like how I'm not supposed to take the lords name in vain but I swear worse than a sailor on days that I just get mad, and I don't feel guilty over it. 

Also, the old testament (At least some of it, I'm not too sure myself on when it ended) was written like a poem due to the fact that, when it was being made, no one came up with the idea of putting ink on paper, so I do not believe God made the Earth in seven days, I do believe it took longer than that, but as to how long, I do not honestly care myself since that really doesn't change much. Anyways, the point I'm making is, at least for the old testament since the new testament is more like a bibliography of Jesus's and his disciples lifes, don't take it at face value, look more into, and if what you come up with is different than what others think, then you can talk with them about why you believe what you believe and see why they believe what they believe, it's honestly quite interesting to see that ^^

So, when that happens, you can have a conversation with other people about religion, kinda like what we're doing now, but I do see your point here. It's kinda hard to have a conversation to know exactly what it means, but usually the general message is clear... usually. Some people take it way too literally at times, or just don't understand it, which is understandable with a book that old written like a poem. Anyways, I'm not sure if trying to represent the whole religion was directed towards me (I honestly don't even remember what I wrote on here since it was so long ago, and I'm too tired right now to do so), but again, that is something I agree with. When I try to defend my religion, I defend what I think is right, even if most Christians don't agree with me. For example, I used to believe that evolution happened alongside God and Jesus since I am a man of science and facts. I don't anymore, but that's because I've done my own research into it, and personally I don't believe it anymore, but I don't think badly of those that do. It's understandable with all the science and research people put into it.

To keep myself from ranting on, since I like to hear myself talk, I defend my view points. I learn what I should think from talking to people of all religions and beliefs, what is right? What isn't right? Why is it right? So on and so forth. Also, I am SO happy you are not one of those people who reply being super angry, I have two middle schoolers sending me notes trying to bash on my religion, and it is a breath of fresh air to see that smiley face at the end of your comment :)
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IndieJacket Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
I really appreciate the respect you've shown writing back so elegantly and being understanding, I like to think that the end is what people remember the most a lot of times so I try to keep the start respectful, the middle honest(and rambly), and the end cheerful:). Glad to see it's a good way to make conversation.
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FelgrandKnight34 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016
You have no idea :D I am honestly excited to talk with you, and I do hope that I stay respectful throughout this, if I don't please let me know. So, what else will you like to talk about? :meow:
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Teensycreate2 Featured By Owner Edited Nov 22, 2015  Student General Artist
It cut off your sentence.
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FelgrandKnight34 Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2015
Did it?
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Teensycreate2 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015  Student General Artist
at first it did
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FelgrandKnight34 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2015
Yep, I went and changed it, thanks for telling me ^^
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genuinethief Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2015
Psalm: 14. 1.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. -


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genuinethief Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2015
The Fool says, There Is No God.
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theguywiththeredhair Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015
God is 3 spirits in one. One is Jesus, who came down in human form. The human body died but He did not.
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Brain-Dancer Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Your premise is erroneous because you have added your own definition to the word 'sacrifice'.

You have placed it within the context of a cessation of existence.

One premise of the Bible is that once a being comes into existence, they continue.

Hell does not end conscious thought or state of awareness.  

Jesus said as much with the Lazarus and rich man narrative.

You can choose to trust Dawkins as your source authority for eternity, but I think he's a little light on the subject, not being God and all.

 
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sonofpanforestwalker Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
sounds like something t.j.  aka(the amazing atheist) would say just put more eloquently.
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BatmanWithBunnyEars Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2015   General Artist
That's quite a compliment!  I'm a big fan of The Amazing Atheist.
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sonofpanforestwalker Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
tj my main squeeze lol.
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theyoungestbrony Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Student Digital Artist
wait, what? the blue screen of death went up in my head for a bit.
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Knght-Zero Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2015
I thank you for your post, it made a short yet interesting Bible study for me.
1. In your Deuteronomy quote, these were the Laws God set before man. If you had read the verses around Deuteronomy 24:16 you would have seen that these were Laws God set before man designating that their sins shall be their own. As for Ezekiel 18:20, it makes claims contrary to what you had just said.
     Ezekiel 18:19-22 "The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will  the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
21 "But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. 22 None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live."
     And just cause I spotted this while reading further, Ezekiel 18:32 "For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!"
2. Jesus was perfect and had not sinned. He was the final and true PERFECT sacrifice. Not any man would do, Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." In the old testement they were required to sacrifice the best of their animals or goods as an offering to God to atone for their sins. Another note is that God is a 3 in 1 being, there is God the father, God the son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit. Many times in the old Testament he would refer to himself as 'We' as one note supporting this.
3. a.)
3. b.) The sacrifice was a blood offering to the Lord as atonement for their sins. In occult rituals and witchcraft these sacrifices are to the fallen angels who exalt themselves as 'gods' and would be done to attain worldly power or knowledge. There is life in the blood, I believe this life in the blood was what was used to atone for sins and is what the fallen angels long for (The physical/ spiritual ramifications of how this offering works, I believe we will never know on this Earth. All I know is we need not worry any longer about making blood sacrifices to the Lord because Jesus was the perfect sacrifice that defeated sin and death.)
3. c.) That verse, Matthew 10:28, talks of how we are not to be afraid to bring God's Word to others. So, no matter what men may do they cannot destroy your soul. And to be fearful of the one in Hell who can destroy both body and soul is to be fearful for others. Those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior need not fear Death or the Devil, but those who have not shall fear what is in Hell. (As you said, interpretation, I believe this comment was to encourage us to bring God's word to others out of fear for them, rather than fear for ourselves.)
4. is a summary.
Note: Dawkins will have to face his own sins if he has not repented and turned away from his sin. While Dawkins may not have directly added to the Bible here is his warning.
    Revelation 22:18-21 "18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
     20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
     Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
     21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen."
I shall be praying for you and I am glad to see unlike many other posts I have seen of this nature and of Christian nature that most of these comments don't appear to be to violent or verbally abusive.
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Knght-Zero Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2015
as for 3. a.) I did not see enough evidence for this to be key in the argument. Humans do have immortal souls, and I believe angels do as they already exist with God in Heaven or had lived in Heaven at one point with the tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge.
Notes of interest by Knght-Zero:
     I'd like to makes some personal options on my views of Ghosts and the less occurring supernatural. While these are interesting topics, this is another one I fear we will never know on this Earth.
I believe that ghosts are the works of demons, either as an attempt to manifest themselves into the real world or to distract men. Most ghost stories I have heard of often are attributed to a traumatic event that happened are extremely powerful emotional states. In a recent story I heard a psychic mentioned something about an imprint of the person there. Based on that comment I believe a part of the person was imprinted there and as such a demon or other spiritual being can use that energy to manifest or act in ways. (As they are demons I believe they will be trying to deceive man.)
     As for my view on the super natural in general, I believe that it would be like thinking about two objects orbiting like a solar system. That spiritual plane (or Heaven) could be viewed as getting farther from Earth and being less actively visible in the world today then. I do believe that if this hypothesis is true that we are seeing more super natural activity picking up again and that when the plane (Heaven) gets closer to Earth again there will be more supernatural events occurring, more deceptions by demons, and ultimately the return of the King, Jesus Christ.
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RyuunosukeAkiyama Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2015   Writer
For its potential for literary use, I thank you for writing this; I may have just come across an interesting idea to expand upon.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2015
Technically, yes. You can try to interpret it that way.  But like all interpretations, it must be able to withstand the scrutiny and criticism of wiser and better-informed minds.
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Bendyi Featured By Owner Edited Jul 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
There is no direct or completely valid proof that God exists, nor that he does not. It's simply that, no proper proof. The bible does not prove the existance of God. It being a book means it was written by people. Only way you would get that proof is going to people that wrote it in the first place and ask them why and how and then investigate yourself.

As for the religion itself, it is just that. One's belief. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you wish to argue that you experienced God in some what or another, you have to understand that word 'experiencing' does not prove existance. A paranoia is an example of that claim. You feel as if being watched, but you're likely not.
'Millions of people believe in it, it was spread by those before them.' And so was folklore, but we don't believe it, do we?

As for other arguements I get from people that I (calmly) talk with about religion, I often get 'But something has to be reason for this' 'Someone must have done this' 'Something must be', and I mostly get it at the point where I THINK (important word) they ran out of arguements, and it really gives me the vibe that Catholic religion (saying Catholic because I didn't talk with other people from other religions so far) is rather based on possibilities than solidities.

I myself am an agnostic, and for now God and Jesus are simply idols that are characterised to define the moral code we people should follow.

If you do wish a discussion with me further (as long as you don't plan on being obnoxious or rude), I enjoy talks like these and I would be glad to have you.
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
+1
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Revival-Tom Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
In reading what you have said and the response by deadlynightshade97, I'd like to add a suggestion.  But before I propose a suggestion, I'd like you to know that I am a born-again believer in Christ for almost 40 years and know from experience the reality of God.  As for my suggestion on reading the Bible, I would recommend  reading just the Book of John for a start.  If you remain open, as you seem to be, and let go of any preconceived notions and bad experiences you may have had in the past with those who profess to be Christians, God Himself will show you Himself through Jesus Christ.  Christians are not to do the converting--that is God's job.  Christians are to introduce you to God like introduces one person to another.  Real Christianity is a working relationship with God--not a religion.  And if you have more questions, send notes to either of my sites:  Revival-Tom or reverand-tom.  I'll help as much as I can.  I'm here to help--not condemn or debate.:) (Smile) 
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deadlynightshade97 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
You may have heard this before, (and I'm speaking calmly) how can you believe or not believe in something if it never existed in the first place? Yes, you can say that some nut job simply made up a higher being, but if you've read the Bible, there are things that prophets and the disciples of Jesus saw and experienced that not even they could understand or convey to the fullest. No one can simply make up a being like God out of thin air. We cannot even begin to grasp the amount of power or knowledge he holds; take the universe itself for instance. "God stretches out the Heavens like a curtain," and scientists say the universe is constantly expanding, moving and twisting in ways we cannot control, that no other religion (to my knowledge) has ever thought to include. There are parts in the Bible (and I'm speaking loosely, since I am not perfect, and I make mistakes) that say the very Presence of God cannot be seen by even the Angels in Heaven, that Heaven is a place of light that emanates from God himself. The smallest details in the Bible can lead to the greatest of discoveries and inspiration in man that, I believe wholeheartedly, no other religion can accomplish. If you are saying God does not exist, that the Bible is not true, then it's obvious you do not believe, therefore, neither of us can be sure that God exists, but there is a saying I live by. I would rather die believing there is a God, than live believing the opposite, then die and find that there is. I am not trying to sell you a gimmick or an advertisement to become a Christian, and it is said that in days such as these, it would be better to not identify with Christ (as prophesied in the Bible), but I am simply asking you to at least read the Bible. Don't just go online and search for popular Bible verses. Read it for yourself; I challenge you, and this is a reminder to do so more myself, but it won't hurt to read a book. I'm going to say right now, that if you do, you will not understand if fully or right away, as I believe God intended (wants us to think). Look up famous authors and speakers who go in depth on the Word of God (Rabbi Zacharias or Dr. David Jeremiah are two good places to start). I think you'll find a lot of it quite interesting, even if you are not a believer. Again, I challenge you, I urge you to at least try, and decide for yourself whether or not you want to become a Christian. What I've said is only a particle of icing on the cake of what the Bible holds within its pages as the Word of God. I don't know about you, but I find that to be an amazing thing. There my rant is done.
(JK) And another thing: Sometimes I find keeping the Word and God's commandments difficult (which is to be expected, as we are merely human while he is perfect in every respect), but that could be because I was born into a Christian family, while you live a life as a non-believer; most of the best miracles come to those farthest from God. Think about it and see what happens.
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Bendyi Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Again, however aggresive or passive-aggresive anything I might say sounds, it is not meant to be.
And I also want to express how I do know what religion is, it's one's choice to believe in something, and I do not wish to take their freedom of doing so, it's all up to you.

How can you believe or not believe in something if it never existed in the first place?
I believe I will get an A tomorrow. I believe I will be the best writer in the world. In other words, I believe in something that didn't already happen, and might actually never happen. Children believe in Santa Claus and other stories, but we say they aren't real. The same children are also taught that religion is real, only thing their parents keep telling them it's real while other stories and fantasies aren't.

'No one can simply make up a being like God out of thin air.'
Honestly you do not know that. Sorry for the comparison as it isn't intended to offend anything, but both God and Jesus could be said to be characters alike Mary Sue, simply perfect. And again, you do not know what people in that age were capable of. Maybe they really just invent God out of thin air, maybe they did not. Both are possibilities, and it doesn't matter which one stands out to be more true, both are possible, both might be what happened, and until there is a proper proof, they will remain and nothing but two possibilities.

'We cannot even begin to grasp the amount of power or knowledge he holds:'
From my perspective, you are assigning something to doesn't have its existance proven. Again, you could be completely right, or you could be false, there has to be someone to prove me that god exists if I'm to believe that claim.

'There are parts in the Bible that say the very Presence of God cannot be seen by even the Angels in Heaven, that Heaven is a place of light that emanates from God himself.'
As I still believe, the Bible could be a real thing and what it contains inside could actually exist, but just as much as it could be work of imagination and art. As for the inspiration and discoveries in Bible, many other things can do that as well, not just books themselves. Every second in life might have the potential of both great inspiration or discovery.

 'If you are saying God does not exist, that the Bible is not true, then it's obvious you do not believe, therefore, neither of us can be sure that God exists, but there is a saying I live by. I would rather die believing there is a God, than live believing the opposite, then die and find that there is.'
True, I very much agree. And in the latter I do see your point. At this stage it is really a matter of personal preferance, do you want to gamble believing in something that may or may not exist? Or do you wish to gamble with it not existing? And as I said, I do not take anyone's freedom away with my claims, you can believe in whatever you want, it's your own decision.

As for the challange I really did think about reading it for myself but I never came to the point where I would actually do it. I will have to read it, sooner or later, but I guess there's no reason to wait.

Thank you for the talk and for being calm.
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deadlynightshade97 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Alright then. Thank you also for being calm.
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Revival-Tom Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
It may seem that Christians get away from false interpretations, but God has His way with them when they are in the wrong.  But God gets at those who are unbelievers and purposefully misuse the Bible to try and attempt to prove God, the author of the Bible, doesn't exist.  God is right beside you dealing with you.  He didn't sacrifice Himself to appease Himself.  God the Father sacrificed His only Son, Jesus Christ, to appease His Holy and absolute Righteousness so that you could be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God.
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deadlynightshade97 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Amen.
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Revival-Tom Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
BatmanWithBunnyEars walked into his own trap.  Whether he'll come to Christ or not is another question.
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deadlynightshade97 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Indeed
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Revival-Tom Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
This man's study has proven the opposite of what he is trying to prove.  According to Romans 1:17-25, it is not so much that he believes that God does not exist, it is more of a matter that he has chosen to not believe that God exists, and therefore his willing rebellion against God has caused him to be callous against the reality of God.  Real Christianity is not a Religion in regards to how Religion is often defined.  Real Christianity is a genuine relationship with God through Jesus Christ; after having realized that one is a sinner before a Holy God, but loves the sinner so much that God sent His Son to die on the Cross for our sins that we might have fellowship with God.  Since God is absolute, it is dangerous to argue with what God says in the Bible about Himself.  Usually such a belief is a result of a bad experience that turns people from God to whatever they are believing in--which is usually themselves.
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EtoileArt Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Religion is such a ridiculous idea. I, personally, am an atheist and think religion is something that does NOT need to exist but thank you for talking about the STUPIDITY of religion, I think it's important to realize when something is utterly dumb and religion is.
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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deadlynightshade97 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
You don't need to be rude, friend. This is a simple, calm post someone decided to make. I myself am a Christian, (I am speaking calmly) you don't see me hammering down on you that God hates you for being who you are and that you're going to Hell (the place of ultimate torment and "gnashing [grinding] of teeth"), nor am I smacking you upside the head with the Bible.
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EtoileArt Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, I'll see you in Hell. ^^
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